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04/12/2002 01:34 PM Senate HES

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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                    
      SENATE HEALTH, EDUCATION & SOCIAL SERVICES COMMITTEE                                                                    
                          Work Session                                                                                          
                         April 12, 2002                                                                                         
                            1:34 p.m.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              
Senator Lyda Green, Chair                                                                                                       
Senator Jerry Ward                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Loren Leman, Vice Chair                                                                                                 
Senator Gary Wilken                                                                                                             
Senator Bettye Davis                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Donny Olson                                                                                                             
Representative Reggie Joule                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
STATEWIDE SCHOOL SAFETY REPORT/MCQUEEN SCHOOL CLOSURE, KIVALINA                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
See Joint Senate HESS & CRA minutes dated 4/3/02.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Carl Rose                                                                                                                   
Association of Alaska School Boards                                                                                             
316 W 11th St.                                                                                                                  
Juneau, AK  99801                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Presented report on the McQueen School                                                                    
Closure                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
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TAPE 02-28, SIDE A                                                                                                            
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CHAIRWOMAN  LYDA  GREEN  called the  Senate  Health,  Education  &                                                            
Social  Services Committee  work  session to  order  at 1:34  p.m.                                                              
Committee members Ward and Green  were present, as well as Senator                                                              
Olson and Representative Joule who represent the Kivalina                                                                       
district.   She asked Mr. Rose to discuss his project report.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. CARL  ROSE, Executive  Director of  the Association  of Alaska                                                              
School  Boards, informed  members that  he was  the leader  of the                                                              
fact-finding team that went into  Kivalina in the Northwest Arctic                                                              
Borough School District. He gave the following statement.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     In context I would say with  a fact finding team such as                                                                   
     this, if  it were a school or  if it were any  entity, I                                                                   
     think you'd want to start by  trying to get an answer to                                                                   
     the question  why. As  we went  into Kivalina, we  asked                                                                   
     some questions  why, in  terms of  some of the  concerns                                                                   
     over safety  that [were]  reported in  the paper.  As we                                                                   
     got on  site and looked at  some of the information,  we                                                                   
     had some  concerns over student  learning. As we  took a                                                                   
     look at the  facts, we were more concerned  with student                                                                   
     learning than we were with some  of the evidence we were                                                                   
     seeing in terms of safety and,  if I could for a moment,                                                                   
     we had Trooper  Greenstreet from Kotzebue with  us. Much                                                                   
     of the concern over behavior  was either investigated or                                                                   
     addressed by the troopers and  the behavior did not rise                                                                   
     to  the level  of  illegal -  legal  question. What  did                                                                   
     happen  was   we  did  evidence  that  there   was  some                                                                   
     aggressive  behavior, some  bad manners  but none of  it                                                                   
     rose to  the level  where the  troopers needed to  press                                                                   
     charges.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     What was most  alarming to us was we started  to look at                                                                   
     some  of the information  on student  learning, some  of                                                                   
     the data, and  we were very concerned with  what we saw.                                                                   
     Going back to  my early comments, we asked  the question                                                                   
     why.  We  asked  the  question why,  we  looked  at  the                                                                   
     processes that  were being delivered and that  led us to                                                                   
     examine   some  of  the   strategies  that  were   being                                                                   
     employed, which  led us to some of the goals,  which led                                                                   
     us to the  mission and eventually the overall  vision of                                                                   
     the school district.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     What this report represents  is all of the "disconnects"                                                                   
     between  those entities.  I'm talking  about the  school                                                                   
     child in  the classroom, the  parents and teachers,  the                                                                   
     community  and school, central  office, executive  staff                                                                   
     and eventually the school board  - up and down. We found                                                                   
     that    there    were    issues    regarding    trusting                                                                   
     relationships.  There  was  a lack  of  cooperation  and                                                                   
     ultimately communication.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN asked Mr. Rose if he is referring to the                                                                       
students.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ROSE  said he  is  talking  about the  systemic  approach  of                                                              
delivering education  so from the  policy arm of the  school board                                                              
down to the delivery to the child,  there were areas of disconnect                                                              
that caused  people to ask a  lot of questions. He  then continued                                                              
his report.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     They  were  not well  informed,  communication  was  not                                                                   
     taking  place,  there  didn't  appear  to be  a  lot  of                                                                   
     cooperation   and,  as  I   mentioned,  those   trusting                                                                   
     relationships.   Well,  when you deal  with the  system,                                                                   
     these are  critical issues. More importantly,  as we did                                                                   
     our investigation  and we  took a look  at what  we were                                                                   
     seeing, ultimately  we found that the needs  of children                                                                   
     were  not being  addressed -  they  weren't the  highest                                                                   
     priority. All  of the report as you have  received, much                                                                   
     of that report  - the majority of the report  deals with                                                                   
     adult behavior  and I think  we conclude that it  is the                                                                   
     adult behavior  that needs to change and  it's much more                                                                   
     important  than kids'.  Our  evidence has  been that  we                                                                   
     model what  we teach or  we're teaching something  else.                                                                   
     And, I think in the case of  Kivalina, some of the adult                                                                   
     behavior  is pretty much  being modeled  by some of  the                                                                   
     kids.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     The state should  be alarmed with the way  that this was                                                                   
     advertised  in the  paper. I  do want to  tell you  that                                                                   
     there is tremendous  room for improvement.  I think that                                                                   
     there  are a number  of options  that are available  for                                                                   
     the district  to exhaust  before state intervention  but                                                                   
     as you  can see in the  conclusion in my report,  or our                                                                   
     report,  we  talk about  a  group  of  people led  by  a                                                                   
     competent  - I think  we referred to  it as a  competent                                                                   
     team leader  - to come in  and address the needs  or the                                                                   
     behaviors  that led  up to  the closure  of the  school,                                                                   
     one,  and  secondly  an education  improvement  plan.  I                                                                   
     think that  there's a  tremendous amount of  opportunity                                                                   
     here and  I think they  have the wherewithal  within the                                                                   
     district.  You're already  funding  that school  through                                                                   
     the  foundation formula.  I've - I  was concerned  about                                                                   
     how this report would be received  by many of the people                                                                   
     here,  simply  applying  a  cost-benefit  ratio  to  the                                                                   
     amount  of money that's  spent and  the outcome that  is                                                                   
     received. So, I was well aware of that.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     I'd  like to  talk  to you  just briefly  about  another                                                                   
     thing  that   concerns  me.   We're  on  the   verge  of                                                                   
     designating our schools. I think  Kivalina may be one of                                                                   
     many  examples.  I  think  the  way  that  we  go  about                                                                   
     addressing the  Kivalina incident in terms  of improving                                                                   
     that situation  will be key to the model  that we employ                                                                   
     with  schools  that  we  identify   as  poor  performing                                                                   
     schools. So  with that I wanted  to share with  you that                                                                   
     the  School Board  Association is  very concerned  about                                                                   
     this. We deal  a lot in the area of governance.  We deal                                                                   
     a  lot  in  the area  of  leadership  and  in  community                                                                   
     engagement  and we  will work with  Northwest Arctic  to                                                                   
     try to address some of those  issues but let me be clear                                                                   
     - this  cannot be a top down  or a bottom up: it  has to                                                                   
     be both. There needs to be a  willingness throughout the                                                                   
     district to work together and  put the interests of kids                                                                   
     first.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     With  that, let  me share with  you some  of the  things                                                                   
     that I just  recently read in the American  School Board                                                                   
     Journal,  it's  a  publication of  the  National  School                                                                   
     Board  Association. They  identify four  things that  we                                                                   
     can learn  from our  mistakes. The  first thing is  that                                                                   
     you  can't do  something  big like  this  with a  narrow                                                                   
     majority of people. Essentially  what it's saying is you                                                                   
     have to build  a broader base of support  to improve and                                                                   
     make the  changes that  need to be  made and all  of the                                                                   
     reasons why.  So, we need to  have this discussion  in a                                                                   
     larger context  to focus  on what you  need in place  to                                                                   
     make the positive move.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Secondly, these  complex issues in education,  you can't                                                                   
     deal  with them  with the  latest  educational fad,  you                                                                   
     just can't transport  things in here and  hope that it's                                                                   
     going to  fix the issue.  You need  to take the  time to                                                                   
     plan and think your way through  to design programs that                                                                   
     accurately address some of the  needs that you're trying                                                                   
     to address through  your plan. A clear and  concise plan                                                                   
     that's comprehensive  is essential. I think  we all know                                                                   
     that.  We all  talk about  it but  we don't  necessarily                                                                   
     practice  it  but  a  clear   and  concise  plan  that's                                                                   
     comprehensive.   And  then   lastly,   these  areas   of                                                                   
     disconnect  - if  you're going  to try  to do  something                                                                   
     with  the public  in a  democracy, you  have to  relieve                                                                   
     those areas  of disconnects.  The four things  I've just                                                                   
     mentioned are clearly evident  in the case of Kivalina -                                                                   
     all four of them. And so, there  is a roadmap here as to                                                                   
     how we expand  the support that we need,  how we fashion                                                                   
     and  design   school  improvement  plans,  how   we  put                                                                   
     together a clear and concise  and comprehensive plan for                                                                   
     that  school district  and  lastly to  cause  more of  a                                                                   
     desire  to   cooperate  and  build  a  level   of  trust                                                                   
     throughout the  system so we can communicate  and have a                                                                   
     positive effect.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     One  of the things  that is  hard to  talk about, but  I                                                                   
     think  is really  important, is  you have  to be  honest                                                                   
     with yourself in dealing with  your failures.  If you're                                                                   
     not  honest in  dealing with  your  failures, then  it's                                                                   
     very difficult  to be successful in terms  of achieving.                                                                   
     Now  if you  honestly  take a  look  at Kivalina,  which                                                                   
     we've  tried to  do, we raise  a number  of issues  that                                                                   
     should  cause a  lot of  people  to be  concerned. As  I                                                                   
     shared this  with both Kivalina  and with the  Northwest                                                                   
     Arctic  Board,  I asked  them  to consider  taking  this                                                                   
     report and not necessarily debating  or arguing over its                                                                   
     contents,  but to take  a look at  how we move  forward.                                                                   
     What  would  be the  next  steps  if  we were  going  to                                                                   
     improve the quality  of education? I think  for the most                                                                   
     part,  that was  received  fairly well.  I  can't go  in                                                                   
     there and wave  a wand and fix everything,  Senator, but                                                                   
     I  do think  we placed  the issues  squarely before  the                                                                   
     communities and being an outsider  going into a town and                                                                   
     raising the  issue of their  school and community  being                                                                   
     dysfunctional,  the  word  'dysfunctional'  was  a  very                                                                   
     difficult thing  to use in this  case. And as  I visited                                                                   
     with them I explained that when  you go to a school that                                                                   
     is  functioning  well,  you find  that  communities  are                                                                   
     supportive  of their  schools. You  find that there  are                                                                   
     behavioral  standards that are  acceptable and  you find                                                                   
     that the delivery  of education, the system  of delivery                                                                   
     of education,  is meeting  the needs  of kids. And  when                                                                   
     those   things   are   not    there,   the   school   is                                                                   
     dysfunctional.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Likewise, with the community,  there were some things in                                                                   
     the  community -  adult  behaviors, the  willingness  to                                                                   
     accept  less than  acceptable performance  on behalf  of                                                                   
     the  kids,  or  behavioral   issues,  these  things  are                                                                   
     reflective  of a  community that  may be  dysfunctional.                                                                   
     [It is] very  difficult to tell parents that  but we did                                                                   
     it   because  that's   what  we  saw.   There  was   not                                                                   
     necessarily a level of acceptance,  but a willingness to                                                                   
     just  examine that  within the  context  of the  overall                                                                   
     report.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     As I  shared the report with  them it became  clear that                                                                   
     this issue  was more than  just a Kivalina  issue, which                                                                   
     is why I wanted  to speak to you today. As  a state, and                                                                   
     I mentioned earlier, we have  other areas of concern and                                                                   
     I think when  you take a look at Kivalina  this may well                                                                   
     be   reflected,   as   I  mentioned   in   the   opening                                                                   
     introduction,   this  may   be  a   snapshot  of   rural                                                                   
     education.  So as  we  put together  this  comprehensive                                                                   
     plan  that is clear  and concise  for how  we deal  with                                                                   
     Kivalina   we   are   probably    putting   together   a                                                                   
     comprehensive  plan and model  for how we address  other                                                                   
     schools.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     I think I'll stop there Senator,  other than to say that                                                                   
     I was  close to  the issue, I  got in and  I got  to see                                                                   
     some things and I found that  there were inconsistencies                                                                   
     depending on  who you talked  to. I will tell  you this:                                                                   
     when it came to the closure  of Kivalina school, I can't                                                                   
     second guess why these things  happen but it did happen,                                                                   
     it caused the  state to focus on Kivalina,  it caused us                                                                   
     to take a closer look and it's  a tremendous opportunity                                                                   
     now  for residents  of Kivalina, as  well the  Northwest                                                                   
     Arctic Borough  School District and  the rest of  us who                                                                   
     are involved  in education  to take  a helping hand  and                                                                   
     try  to  improve  the  situation.  I  think  there's  an                                                                   
     opportunity here  and I think  that the state  should be                                                                   
     concerned with the  results that have been  reported and                                                                   
     with the report  that we've submitted. The  School Board                                                                   
     Association  will do  everything  in its  power to  work                                                                   
     with  other entities  to help the  Northwest Arctic,  to                                                                   
     help rural  education and ultimately  to help  all kids.                                                                   
     If we're here for all kids and  we want to leave no kids                                                                   
     behind, that's  what we want to try to do.  So with that                                                                   
     I'll try to answer any questions you might have.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:45 p.m.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WARD asked, if Mr. Rose does  not believe education is the                                                              
first priority  of the  community of Kivalina,  what is  the first                                                              
priority.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROSE  said he felt the  community was not appreciative  of the                                                              
outside pressure.  Kivalina is  a subsistence, whaling  community,                                                              
and the  residents are very  concerned about losing  their culture                                                              
and  traditional ways.  Putting those  priorities against  Western                                                              
values  causes  tremendous  strife.   He  noted  the  parents  are                                                              
extremely  protective   of  their  children,  even   to  a  fault.                                                              
Residents wanted  local determination  and, over time,  the result                                                              
has been  a standard they  were unaware of.   10 and 20  years ago                                                              
success was  measured using  graduation and  drop out rates  while                                                              
today a different scale of competencies  is used. He admitted that                                                              
creates  some pressure,  but that  is not  all bad.  He feels  the                                                              
opportunity to have a conversation  to gain a better understanding                                                              
of why they should perform has not taken place.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WARD asked  if any  of the events  rose  to a level  that                                                              
required state trooper  action and whether any of  the parents and                                                              
students were  being pressured  by the same  group that  threw the                                                              
teachers out to not participate in the educational system.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROSE replied that he did not  feel anyone in the community was                                                              
being  threatened but  he believes  any one  who feels  threatened                                                              
probably is.  He interviewed  some of the  teachers that  left who                                                              
gave  a variety  of reasons  for leaving,  not all  of which  were                                                              
safety. He  noted the only things  he saw that could  be prevalent                                                              
in  this Eskimo  subsistence village  is  that the  people have  a                                                              
tendency to  be polite and understated  and they try to  stay away                                                              
from conflict. However,  a few people in that  community have very                                                              
aggressive  behavior.  He  felt the  dynamic  was  one of  a  very                                                              
passive community  leveraged against some aggressive  behavior. He                                                              
saw  cases  in which  a  parent  was supportive  of  his  children                                                              
irrespective of inappropriate behavior on the children's part.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WARD  noted if  the elders had  been involved,  the school                                                              
closure probably  would not  have happened.  Senator Ward  said he                                                              
has been unsure about the logic of  building high schools all over                                                              
the Bush  yet he doesn't necessarily  endorse a blanket  policy of                                                              
moving  students  to  boarding  schools.  He  then  asked  if  the                                                              
Northwest Arctic Borough School District  (NWABSD) has interviewed                                                              
the parents  in Kivalina  and noted he  would like to  formulate a                                                              
program  during  this process  to  give  to other  communities  to                                                              
empower  parents to  be  prideful of  their  school. He  expressed                                                              
concern that more  Native teachers are not being  trained and that                                                              
the state has to bring teachers in  from elsewhere who do not want                                                              
to live  in the  Bush for  more than half  of a  year. He  felt an                                                              
incentive needs  to be offered, such  as paying a person  from the                                                              
community 25 percent more to teach.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROSE  stated the people of  Kivalina are passive and  kind and                                                              
that there are  good students in Kivalina. The  school closure was                                                              
the result  of lower expectations  and the lack  of implementation                                                              
of  a  quality  instructional  program   that  met  the  needs  of                                                              
students.  Those things  can be rectified  but unfortunately  they                                                              
had to become  a statewide concern  before anyone took a  look. He                                                              
cautioned  members  that with  all  of  the options  available  to                                                              
remedy the  situation, he  would hesitate  to endorse a  knee-jerk                                                              
reaction.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WARD  noted that  he did not  read the word  "parent" very                                                              
many times  in Mr. Rose's report,  which is why he was  so pleased                                                              
to  find out  the head  of  the NWABSD  planned  to interview  the                                                              
parents individually.  He felt if the parents  cannot be empowered                                                              
to be involved  in the education  of their children, no  amount of                                                              
money or laws  will change anything. He maintained  that something                                                              
is  causing the  parents to  be disengaged  from their  children's                                                              
education.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  GREEN  remarked  that  committee  members  received  a                                                              
letter from Sophie Ferguson who spoke  about appointing a group to                                                              
go to  Kivalina and  "have an eye  on this"  and that might  segue                                                              
into Senator Ward's  ideas. She then indicated that  both Mr. Rose                                                              
and Commissioner Holloway stated  that communication problems were                                                              
a large  part of  the problem  yet she  found that  absent in  the                                                              
report. She then  said that she does not have test  scores from 10                                                              
or 12  years ago,  but if  those scores  were no  better than  the                                                              
scores  today, a  great  deal of  time and  money  has been  spent                                                              
resulting in  a disappointing record.  She then asked Mr.  Rose if                                                              
the fact-finding team addressed the  issue of reopening the gym in                                                              
Kivalina.  She  was  wondering  why  the  gym  wasn't  used  as  a                                                              
negotiating tool.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROSE said  he inadvertently left the word  "communication" out                                                              
of  the  report.  As  he  reported   back  to  the  community,  he                                                              
identified the  lack of a  trusting relationship and  an inability                                                              
or unwillingness  to cooperate thereby  leading to a  breakdown in                                                              
communication  at every  level. He  said  the fact-finding  team's                                                              
initial concern was  one of safety but that rapidly  turned to the                                                              
unmet educational needs  of students. He said on  the issue of the                                                              
gym,  almost everyone  involved was  disappointed to  see the  gym                                                              
reopened for  a host of  reasons. The  decision to reopen  the gym                                                              
was  made under  tremendous  pressure locally.  Although  everyone                                                              
seems to  disagree with that  decision now, at  the time it  was a                                                              
relief  valve. The  fact-finding  team was  not  involved in  that                                                              
decision.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN  suggested that should  have been covered  in Mr.                                                              
Rose's report because she believes it was perceived as an error.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOULE  gave the following backdrop  on the Kivalina                                                              
situation. Kivalina  is located on a  spit. For the last  25 to 30                                                              
years, it has been fighting erosion.   There is no place to expand                                                              
and the  13 new  houses that  are being  built right  now are  the                                                              
first the community  has seen in  a long time because of  the lack                                                              
of space.  The new houses are  almost "pressed together."  As many                                                              
as three generations  of people are living under one  roof - 17 to                                                              
20 people.  One reason  the village cannot  hire a village  public                                                              
safety  officer (VPSO)  is  because  of the  lack  of housing.  He                                                              
remarked the  people have been very  active in trying  to relocate                                                              
the community  but have  met with one  obstacle after  another and                                                              
the process has been painfully slow.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Regarding the issue of low test scores,  REPRESENTATIVE JOULE felt                                                              
there is a relationship to what Mr.  Rose said, that being that in                                                              
rural  communities  there  are  very   limited  opportunities  for                                                              
employment.  The only  jobs that  exist are  at the  school, as  a                                                              
community health aide,  or with the tribal council.  One challenge                                                              
that needs to be  examined is how to embrace the  low test scores.                                                              
He believes low  test scores will be found in  many rural villages                                                              
because there is  a disconnect between what students  are learning                                                              
and what  they will do  after high school.  Up until last  year or                                                              
so,  the  only  viable opportunity  to  visit  those  centers  was                                                              
through boarding  schools. He advised  members it is  important to                                                              
be  mindful of  helping students  to  make the  connection of  the                                                              
value  of their  education in  terms  of employment  if the  state                                                              
continues to use a Western model.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOULE  said students need to be plugged  in to what                                                              
job  opportunities are  available  in a  place  like Kotzebue.  He                                                              
questioned whether people  could work at jobs in  Kotzebue for two                                                              
weeks on and  two weeks off like  they do at the Red  Dog mine. He                                                              
suggested that  housing could be  part of the employment  package,                                                              
as in  aviation. He  believes that  is the  kind of challenge  the                                                              
state needs  to look at when  trying to get students  connected to                                                              
their education.  He indicated  that everyone  has focused  on the                                                              
misbehavior  of a  relatively  small number  of  students and  the                                                              
community  is paying  a high  price  for that.   He  noted in  the                                                              
Native value system,  respect is very important,  but respect must                                                              
be  a two-way  street. He  thought Commissioner  Holloway and  Mr.                                                              
Rose have  said the Kivalina  school closure incident  presents an                                                              
opportunity to  move the importance  of education forward  for all                                                              
Alaskans, regardless of where they  live, by finding a way to make                                                              
students feel plugged in. He said  the disconnect is both economic                                                              
and social and is partly caused by  isolation. He then suggested a                                                              
regional prison could  provide employment in rural  areas in which                                                              
people could work two weeks on and two weeks off.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:15 p.m.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WARD noted  that his ancestors  no longer  live in  Ferry                                                              
(ph),  Alaska because  there are  no  jobs there.  He agreed  that                                                              
legislators  need   to  have  a  full  discussion   about  whether                                                              
government   dollars  are  keeping   communities  stationary.   He                                                              
questioned  whether government  is  doing a  disservice to  Native                                                              
communities by not  allowing them to be nomadic when  there are no                                                              
jobs to  support them. He  noted he does  not want  boarding homes                                                              
but he does not want to trap people  by keeping them in one place.                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN noted  she asked a few questions  of Commissioner                                                              
Holloway at the previous hearing.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROSE  asked to first  address a comment  made at  the previous                                                              
hearing about  racism being  part of  the problem.   He  said that                                                              
although everyone  acknowledges that racism  is alive and  well in                                                              
our society, the  problem in Kivalina is that a  standard based on                                                              
an assimilation model  is being applied. He believes  education is                                                              
the great equalizer,  yet the people of Kivalina  are not aware of                                                              
the value of a  quality education so do not emphasize  it. He said                                                              
his  hometown of  Skagway is  similar  in size  and population  to                                                              
Kivalina. The  education delivery system and  behavioral standards                                                              
in  Skagway are  reinforced by  the  community. The  opportunities                                                              
available  through education  that young  people see everyday  are                                                              
very  different  than  in  Kivalina.   The  Western  societal  and                                                              
educational values  that exist in Skagway are  very different from                                                              
Kivalina. That is  a reason to fashion a model  of opportunity for                                                              
Kivalina  rather than  an assimilation  model. He  said the  model                                                              
used to address the problems facing  Kivalina will be the start of                                                              
a model for all schools that are not performing well.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN called Commissioner Holloway to testify.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER SHIRLEY  HOLLOWAY, Department of Education  and Early                                                              
Development  (DOEED), informed  members  that in  response to  the                                                              
question about  why the gym was kept  open, when she was  told the                                                              
school was  closed she assumed  all of  it was closed  and learned                                                              
about the gym several days later.  She believes that reopening the                                                              
school could have  been used as part of an  important conversation                                                              
about behavioral standards.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  GREEN  asked if  a  definition  of school  closure  is                                                              
contained in statute or regulations.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY deferred to  Assistant Attorney General Jean                                                              
Mischel to discuss that issue.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MISCHEL,  Assistant  Attorney  General,  Department  of  Law,                                                              
informed  members  that  the  statutes  do not  contain  a  strict                                                              
definition  of school  closure,  but a  regulation  exists on  the                                                              
discontinuation  of schools.  That regulation  was drafted  in the                                                              
1970s in response  to the Molly Hootch litigation.  The regulation                                                              
does   not  differentiate   between  a   permanent  or   temporary                                                              
discontinuation  but it  contains a  procedure that  she does  not                                                              
believe was followed by the NWABSD.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN asked if the current  regulations are adequate to                                                              
deal with a closure.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  HOLLOWAY  said  she  believes  the  state  board  of                                                              
education should review that regulation  as it needs to be updated                                                              
in light of this incident.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WARD  asked  if  there   is  another  community  hall  or                                                              
gathering place in Kivalina other than the gym.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOULE  said Kivalina has a community  center but it                                                              
is not used for recreational activities.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY  said there may be some  kind of contractual                                                              
arrangement  for gym  use that  DOEED is  not aware  of. She  then                                                              
asked Mr.  Truitt to Chairwoman  Green's question  about authority                                                              
issues.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. KEN  TRUITT, Assistant  Attorney General,  Department  of Law,                                                              
explained the  statutory authorities in  the area of  education as                                                              
follows. The primary directive for  the commission of education is                                                              
found  in   the  Alaska  Constitution,   which  states   that  the                                                              
legislature  shall,  by  general  law, establish  and  maintain  a                                                              
system  of public  schools  for all  children  of  the state.  The                                                              
Alaska  Supreme  Court  has  labeled this  as  a  pervasive  state                                                              
authority  for  the delivery  of  education.  This  constitutional                                                              
provision  provides  that  the legislature  will  be  the  primary                                                              
institution to  deliver that.   The legislature has  delegated the                                                              
specific  authority  to  manage   and  govern  schools  to  school                                                              
districts. So,  school districts have the very  specific authority                                                              
to  manage  the operations,  the  delivery  of education,  and  to                                                              
govern  and  provide for  the  governance  of schools  and  school                                                              
districts. The legislature  has also provided DOEED  and the state                                                              
board of  education with the  general authority over  the delivery                                                              
of  education  in  the  state.  However,  the  exact  relationship                                                              
between   a  school   district's   specific   authority  and   the                                                              
department's  general authority is  unclear. Related  to Kivalina,                                                              
he cannot  say with certainty  how far DOEED's  authority reaches.                                                              
The  primary authority  to deal  with  the problem  lies with  the                                                              
school  district. Nowhere  in  Title 14  is  DOEED given  specific                                                              
authority to operate a school that  exists within a borough school                                                              
district; that specific authority  is given to the school district                                                              
itself. DOEED does  have general authority but what  that means in                                                              
Kivalina will depend on how the situation unfolds.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN asked  if, at some point, authority  was given to                                                              
the school district by DOEED.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. TRUITT said it was given to the borough by the legislature.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN asked if DOEED acted as a pass-through agency.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. TRUITT said it did not.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  GREEN asked if  the legislature  could be involved  in                                                              
the Kivalina situation at some point.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. TRUITT said it could.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  GREEN   asked  if  the  legislature   can  withdraw  a                                                              
district's authority to oversee a school.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  TRUITT explained  that Title  14  lays out  the authority  of                                                              
school  districts  so it  does  not  grant authority  to  specific                                                              
districts.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN  maintained that districts were  given unilateral                                                              
authority.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. TRUITT  indicated a  school district  is a part  of a  city or                                                              
borough so  it must operate within  the bounds of  Alaska statutes                                                              
that provide  for the  governance of cities  and boroughs.   Other                                                              
statutes  are  specific  to regional  education  attendance  areas                                                              
(REAA).                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  GREEN clarified  that she  was saying  that the  state                                                              
endowed the  title of  school district  on 53 different  districts                                                              
because  those districts  had to  do  something to  be given  that                                                              
authority. She  was thinking  if a district  was not living  up to                                                              
those  requirements,  the  agreement   could  be  altered  by  the                                                              
legislature.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. TRUITT believed  that to be correct. He said  at some point in                                                              
the Kivalina situation,  DOEED would have some  sort of authority.                                                              
He noted  the ambiguity is highlighted  in Mr. Rose's  report when                                                              
he speaks to the district being the  sole authority to address the                                                              
problem  but concludes  that if  the  problem is  not solved,  the                                                              
state should intervene.  He believes everyone recognizes  that the                                                              
primary  body with  the authority  to  govern that  school is  the                                                              
school  district.  If,  however, the  school  district  completely                                                              
abdicates authority  to follow through with its  statutory duties,                                                              
everyone assumes another  body has the authority  to do something.                                                              
While  that scenario  is  not specifically  laid  out in  statute,                                                              
DOEED  does   have  general   supervisory  authority   to  oversee                                                              
education in Alaska.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN said  it is not the plan for  anyone to intervene                                                              
and  the legislature  hopes the  school district  can resolve  the                                                              
issue. She applauded  Mr. Schaeffer for his offer  to speak to the                                                              
parents in Kivalina  and emphasized the importance  of giving that                                                              
information to the school board for its use.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. TRUITT stated  there are no other authorities  in statute that                                                              
he is aware of. He then noted both  the school districts and DOEED                                                              
are given  specific statutory authority  to enter  into agreements                                                              
with each  other to provide for  the more efficient  or economical                                                              
delivery of education services. DOEED  is given specific authority                                                              
to  establish,  maintain, and  govern  area regional  and  special                                                              
schools,  although  he  is  not entirely  sure  what  that  means.                                                              
Regarding  the  options Mr.  Rose  spoke  of,  he said  DOEED  can                                                              
provide consulting  and contractual services to  assist districts.                                                              
He ventured that  since that specific authority is  stated in both                                                              
entities'  statutory  grants  of  authority,  it  looks  like  the                                                              
legislature contemplated it as an option to be exercised.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN asked for an example.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  HOLLOWAY replied  DOEED enters  into contracts  on a                                                              
regular basis with  school districts to work on  specific projects                                                              
or if  it uses  district employees  to work  on statewide  issues.                                                              
DOEED  is  encouraging  NWABSD to  enter  into  some  partnerships                                                              
within and outside of their region  to turn the Kivalina situation                                                              
around.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN  asked to  be kept informed  about funding  for a                                                              
group to do the follow-up work in Kivalina.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY  asked Dr. Ford-Slack to  address Chairwoman                                                              
Green's question about Title 1 schools.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
DR. P.J.  FORD-SLACK, Director of  Teaching and Learning  Support,                                                              
DOEED, informed members  that Title 1 is not a new  program; it is                                                              
part  of  the reauthorization  of  the  Elementary  and  Secondary                                                              
School Act (ESEA).  The Division of Teaching and  Learning Support                                                              
largely  deals with  curriculum issues  and most  of its staff  is                                                              
funded  with  federal  funds.  Under  ESEA,  DOEED  has  10  title                                                              
programs.   Right now, the division  is working on what  is called                                                              
"adequate  yearly progress."  The documents  she submitted  to the                                                              
committee  contain the  old  definition that  Alaska  has used  to                                                              
decide which  schools get specific  help under Title 1  funds. The                                                              
old definition of "adequate yearly progress" was:                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Schools with  11 or more students taking  the California                                                                   
     Achievement Test  (CAT) 5, where  61 percent or  more of                                                                   
     the  students are  not  proficient or  advanced,  levels                                                                   
     having  answered 50  percent  or more  of the  questions                                                                   
     correctly  and have not  made adequate yearly  progress.                                                                   
     Schools that  do not make  adequate yearly progress  for                                                                   
     two consecutive  years are designated as Title  1 school                                                                   
     improvement sites for the following year.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
DR. FORD-SLACK said  DOEED has had quality school  facilitators go                                                              
in and work with these sites. Alaska  has at least 83 schools that                                                              
might have  been eligible  but only  13 are  designated as  school                                                              
improvement  sites  because  Alaska's  schools  are  small.  DOEED                                                              
either had  incomplete data  or not enough  students. A  couple of                                                              
factors were present in Kivalina's case:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
   · In 1998, 12 students were tested and 50 percent did not meet                                                               
     proficiency. The definition required 60 percent so Kivalina                                                                
     was classified as having made  adequate yearly progress.                                                                   
   · In 1999, 9 students were tested but the school population                                                                  
     was too small to be classified.                                                                                            
   · In 2000, 13 students were tested and 84 percent did not meet                                                               
     proficiency. Kivalina failed to make adequate yearly                                                                       
     progress.                                                                                                                  
   · In 2001 there is some question as to what happened to the                                                                  
     test. No data was submitted so DOEED was unable to submit                                                                  
     the information to the federal government for classification                                                               
     as a school improvement site.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DR. FORD-SLACK said  that what she does know is  that the Kivalina                                                              
school definitely needs help. DOEED  then asked its quality school                                                              
team leaders to provide any extra  help possible with extra funds,                                                              
such as assistant in-service, providing  information on standards,                                                              
looking for assessment experts, responding  to curriculum designs,                                                              
special education  or behavioral concerns.  She noted that  page 2                                                              
of  the handout  contains  a breakdown  of  the  money the  NWABSD                                                              
receives under all  of the title programs. The  only program DOEED                                                              
can get school-specific data for  is Title 1 and it knows in FY 02                                                              
the  Kivalina  school  was  eligible  and  received  $70,063.  The                                                              
Kivalina school would be eligible  under the other title programs,                                                              
such as  Migrant Education,  Math and  Science, Reading,  Safe and                                                              
Drug Free Schools,  for other pieces of the allocations  but DOEED                                                              
does not have that breakdown by school.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN asked if the NWABSD has that breakdown.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
DR. FORD-SLACK said  the district may have it.  She then explained                                                              
the third  handout contains a list  of Title 1  school improvement                                                              
sites for  2001-2002. She  reminded legislators  that the  list is                                                              
based on the  old definition of "adequate yearly  progress," which                                                              
is changing.  After meeting  with the  designator committee  and a                                                              
consultant for the  last three days, she learned  that about three                                                              
quarters  of  Alaska's   schools  could  fall  into   the  needing                                                              
improvement arena.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  GREEN asked  if the number  of students  (11) will  go                                                              
down.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
DR. FORD-SLACK said she does not  believe so because if the number                                                              
is lower, the data would not be significant.  She noted that DOEED                                                              
might  not use  that sort  of determination  to  pick up  Alaska's                                                              
schools. DOEED is very aware of how  much smaller Alaska's schools                                                              
are than those in other states, so  it must be sure to include all                                                              
of its schools so that they can get help from Title 1.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  GREEN asked  if that  will help with  the small  class                                                              
size number.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. FORD-SLACK said she believes  it will as DOEED will have to be                                                              
able  to show  that  it  has paid  attention  to all  of  Alaska's                                                              
schools.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN asked  Dr. Ford-Slack to confirm  that the $1.753                                                              
million  is  federal   money  that  does  not   pass  through  the                                                              
legislative budget process.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR.  FORD-SLACK  said that  is  correct.  She then  drew  members'                                                              
attention to  List A and said  32 schools failed to  meet adequate                                                              
yearly progress in March 2001 based  on CAT 5 testing and would be                                                              
identified as school improvement  sites except they were too small                                                              
under  the existing  definition. She  noted the  list provides  an                                                              
indication of other sites with academic  problems. List B contains                                                              
38  schools  that  are  low  performing   but  did  not  meet  the                                                              
requirements  for identification  as  Title  1 school  improvement                                                              
sites for a variety of reasons, including  missing data or lack of                                                              
students in the grade to be tested.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  GREEN  asked  if  information  of  this  sort  can  be                                                              
included in the interim designator reports before 2005.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY's answer was inaudible.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN said several people  have expressed concern about                                                              
delaying the  designator in light of  this issue. She wants  to be                                                              
sure that  the legislature  gets enough  information to  determine                                                              
the actual  status of schools and  that no more schools  are found                                                              
to be in crisis, like Kivalina.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:45 p.m.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR   WARD  remarked   the  legislature   passed   legislation                                                              
requiring a high school qualifying  exam, but every once in awhile                                                              
one learns  after the  fact that something  doesn't fit.  He noted                                                              
that Representative  Joule described a community that  has no jobs                                                              
to provide  income other than a  few government jobs  that require                                                              
higher education.  He expressed concern  that the  legislature may                                                              
have trapped a large group of people  into a bad situation because                                                              
they cannot  relate to  the need for  a higher education.  Perhaps                                                              
some would be better off learning  to operate a D-8 Cat to work at                                                              
Cominco. He  asked Commissioner Holloway,  as the  testing process                                                              
unfolds, to report back to the committee  as to whether or not his                                                              
concern is  reflected. He maintained  that the legislature  cannot                                                              
create  enough  government  jobs  to hold  those  people  for  the                                                              
future.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN took public testimony.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MIKE  DUNLEAVY,  Assistant   Superintendent  of  the  NWABSD,                                                              
informed  members  that  the NWABSD  has  embraced  the  standards                                                              
movement  since it  began. NWABSD's  former superintendent,  Jerry                                                              
Covey, was instrumental in getting  the state to adopt performance                                                              
standards.  Since that  time, the  NWABSD has  geared its  program                                                              
toward  the  standards  movement.   The  NWABSD  has  aligned  its                                                              
curriculum in reading,  writing and math to the  standards; it has                                                              
implemented internal  assessments; it has contracted  out to align                                                              
the  standards  with  the  assessment;  it has  geared  all  staff                                                              
development toward  the standards;  its curricular resources  have                                                              
been chosen  as the  best way to  teach to  the standards;  and it                                                              
continues to  strive in  that direction.  He believes one  problem                                                              
encountered in Kivalina was the result  of the NWABSD's attempt to                                                              
assist  students  in  meeting  those  standards.  For  some  time,                                                              
education in  Alaska was determined  by local school  boards. With                                                              
the standards movement,  the bar was raised in some  areas but was                                                              
uniform across  the state.  In an attempt  to meet that  bar, some                                                              
resistance has occurred  because the change may  have occurred too                                                              
quickly for  some students.  In the NWABSD's  effort to  raise the                                                              
bar  in Kivalina,  a few  individuals  have had  a difficult  time                                                              
reaching those  standards. Coupled with that are  issues involving                                                              
danger  on  the part  of  some  students  and adults  that  helped                                                              
contribute to  the school  closure. He pointed  out, in  regard to                                                              
the gym remaining  open while the  school was closed, there  is no                                                              
real blueprint  for closing a school.  When the decision  to close                                                              
the  school  was made,  the  gym  was  left  open because  it  was                                                              
contracted  out to community  organizations.  Most schools  in the                                                              
district contract with local organizations for gym use.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN  asked Mr. Dunleavy to  send her a copy  of those                                                              
contracts and the payment schedule,  as well as a breakdown of the                                                              
monies routed to the advisory school board in Kivalina.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. DUNLEAVY  agreed to  do so and  then continued his  testimony.                                                              
The NWABSD looked  at the school closure in Kivalina  as part of a                                                              
painful  process  of  improving   the  educational  situation  for                                                              
students  in the  Northwest.  The district  is  fully prepared  to                                                              
continue with  that process.  The district has  taken a  number of                                                              
steps that began before the school  was actually closed, including                                                              
meeting with the community several  times. It is working on a long                                                              
range plan  and has sent a  letter to the Kivalina  advisory board                                                              
inviting  it to participate  in a  joint task  force. The  borough                                                              
mayor, Ross Schaefer, has visited  the community and will continue                                                              
to be  part of the  process. He pointed  out that most  schools in                                                              
Alaska  have the  authority  to develop  their  own calendars.  As                                                              
such, the calendar for Kivalina can  be amended to accommodate the                                                              
school closure.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  GREEN said  everyone has assumed  the school  calendar                                                              
would  be extended  this  year. She  asked  who accompanied  Mayor                                                              
Schaefer and what  kind of short term plans the  NWABSD is looking                                                              
at.  She then  asked  for  a copy  of  the  NWABSD letter  to  the                                                              
advisory school board and whether  an internal joint task force is                                                              
adequate  or whether  help from outside  of the  district will  be                                                              
necessary.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DUNLEAVY said  he  believes  Kivalina is  a  local issue  but                                                              
during the  process the NWABSD may  ask for assistance  from DOEED                                                              
and other  organizations. He repeated  his belief that  this issue                                                              
originated locally and will need to be solved locally.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  GREEN stated she  believes the  district needs  to get                                                              
outside assistance  to help resolve the situation  in Kivalina and                                                              
asked that it be one of his priorities.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DUNLEAVY said  in its  letter  to the  advisory council,  the                                                              
NWABSD has  suggested that the make  up of the task  force include                                                              
an individual from an organization such as DOEED.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WARD asked how many people  the community hall in Kivalina                                                              
will hold.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. DUNLEAVY said he is not sure of its capacity.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WARD asked if Kivalina has a community hall.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. DUNLEAVY said there is.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WARD  said he hopes  that, at  the very least,  the NWABSD                                                              
speaks  to  people who  have  been  facilitators and  can  extract                                                              
information in the  best way possible. He again  expressed concern                                                              
that the parents in the community  be interviewed so that they can                                                              
be part  of the solution because  without them, the  district will                                                              
not have a model with which to help  other communities. He said he                                                              
looks forward to reading the report of the interview of parents.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. DUNLEAVY said Mayor Schaeffer has started that process.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN  asked Mr. Rose to reiterate  the recommendations                                                              
in the report.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ROSE   said  the  recommendations   were  based   on  outside                                                              
facilitation that  would assist the school district  in addressing                                                              
two things: the behavior that led  up to the closure of the school                                                              
and  an educational  improvement  plan  to  address the  needs  of                                                              
students. The fact-finding  team also identified that  much of the                                                              
problem  had to  do  with the  behavior of  adults  more than  the                                                              
behavior  of  students.  The  two  things  offered  are  anecdotal                                                              
because of  the behavior  leading up to  closure and the  needs of                                                              
students.  The   team  feels   strongly  that  competent   outside                                                              
facilitation  with a  group identified  from inside  will be  very                                                              
helpful in pulling the community  together. A "fix" cannot be done                                                              
from the top down or vice versa.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  GREEN   asked  if   the  team's  recommendations   for                                                              
developing and implementing a school  improvement plan still hold.                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ROSE said  very much  so. He  said he  believes the  advisory                                                              
board is  key at the local  level. It provides an  opportunity for                                                              
community  input  on  school  issues and  also  provides  for  the                                                              
dissemination  of   information.  He  said  he   understands  that                                                              
advisory board members  have had some training but  he is not sure                                                              
that  members  understand  their role  and  responsibilities.  The                                                              
fact-finding  team  discussed  this matter  with  school  district                                                              
personnel in an  exit interview. He maintained that  there is more                                                              
than enough  blame to  go around,  from top  to bottom,  and every                                                              
level needs to  look at its role and responsibilities.  That could                                                              
be  done through  a  communications audit.  He  repeated that  the                                                              
recommendations advocated  by the fact-finding team  still need to                                                              
be focused on.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN took public testimony.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WALTER SAMPSON,  a  member of  the  Northwest Arctic  Borough                                                              
Assembly, said  that based  on the testimony  he has heard,  he is                                                              
frustrated by the testimony given  by Commissioner Holloway as she                                                              
tagged Kivalina  as a dysfunctional  community. He felt it  is sad                                                              
to  see a  state  agency do  that  because it  is  not the  entire                                                              
community that is  creating the problem; it is  a small percentage                                                              
of people. He felt that any time  an onsite facilitator is used to                                                              
resolve a  problem like  this one,  it creates  a problem  for the                                                              
community.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 02-29, SIDE A                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. SAMPSON  said if the  problem is  the behavior of  the adults,                                                              
the  problem is  a  community issue.  He  indicated  if the  local                                                              
people  are  ignored in  the  process  and  not brought  into  the                                                              
dialog, the  problem will become  larger. He repeated the  need to                                                              
work things out at the local level.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  GREEN  informed  Mr.   Sampson  that  Mayor  Schaeffer                                                              
visited with  her last week and  she recommended that he  take one                                                              
of  the executives  and school  board  members with  him to  visit                                                              
because it is a school district responsibility.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WARD  added that someone  with conflict resolution  skills                                                              
needs  to be  involved  and help  the  local leaders  decide  what                                                              
questions should be  asked to create a roadmap by  the parents. He                                                              
indicated  that no one  intended to  send someone  in to  take the                                                              
place of the local parents.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN GREEN commented  that everyone wants to  see a positive                                                              
outcome  and that students,  parents and  teachers are  satisfied.                                                              
However,  students  must  go  to  school  with  a  willingness  to                                                              
participate and  learn and  that message comes  from the  home and                                                              
the community.   She asked Mr. Rose to provide her  with a copy of                                                              
the article he referred to about the four points.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WARD  asked if the community  of Kivalina was  informed of                                                              
the hearing today.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOULE said it was.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WARD encouraged people to contact their legislators.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRWOMAN  GREEN agreed and  then adjourned  the meeting  at 3:18                                                              
p.m.                                                                                                                            

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